Monday, October 5, 2009

Justice and Envy

I feel that at this point it might be useful to rearticulate the purpose of justice: something to protect the individual or the group. If Hume is correct that justice exists because of social constructs, then perhaps Marxist society would be ajust, or at least less concerned with the subject. But could that really be the case? Would people cease to envy other's beauty or charisma in a utopian (Humian) or Marxist world? If we shift the human focus from individual money and work to communal living, would we not learn to envy something else?

We are constantly creating norms of beauty, norms that generally stem from Hollywood, or other wealthy public individuals. This system creates ugly and beautiful people who are born into a world of norms; remove money (for Marx) and those elite few no longer control those norms. So who would take the place? I am hopeful that we would forget about such ideas, but, we would still desire entertainment in the form of movies, books, theater, etc. which must illustrate some ideal or theme. If these entertainment outlets are to be anything more than nonsense, they will portray how society thinks you should and should not act (given that government now controls all entertainment industries). Those forms of entertainment may portray values that not every person is entitled to experience.

The mute person may feel slighted at the notion of music as entertainment, the blind person at visual stimuli, the lower IQ at the large vocabulary used in theater. They could take out their frustration on another human, as that other human is seemingly valued more (and hence have a greater role; both in the government's portrayal of the ideal person and in the most important persons to economic stability). Importantly, note that it is what people conceive the situation to be that creates trouble and not necessarily the way the situation actually is. The only real way to stray from such problems would be to produce entertainment (and government) which is inclusive of every person. There can be no good or bad, only us; we can then hold the worst and best vocalist (and doctors) to be inherently equal, so that the worst vocalist has no reservations about his value in singing. But, it seems that this is just not how the world works. People are envious of their conception of beautiful things. And that is the construction of justice: the protection from envy of fellow human beings. Hume's conception of the utopian society which has no care for personal property still has concern for personhood, pride, courage, etc. We are animals first and foremost, like the apes we are territorial of whatever we can get our hands on, and though reason may allow us to supersede this, merely removing monetary incentives will not sufficiently stifle our nature. Do you ever really not want the best possible mate? And if someone got to him/her first, what would you do? This is the need for justice that both Marx and Hume fail to recognize, what do you think?

Perhaps a counterclaim could argue that we should do away with entertainment, and with it any sort of notion of what we could or should be. We are only informed of the way the world is (note that this is similar to Plato's idea to rid his city of poetry because of its inaccurate representations of the world, which is highly criticized).Aside from this, it seems that norms are here to stay, and though communism may rid our norms of the tinge of money, it does not rid us of human envy. And as I earlier inferred, envy seems to be the root of the most basic possible injustices, not property, and thus justice aims to protect the individual from other individuals.

6 comments:

  1. An interesting post. I think that Marx would take issue with your first point (about envy)

    Marx would argue that “envy” is not natural or intrinsic in human nature; rather, it is a bi-product of a capitalist society. Laizze-faire economics adversely affects human nature by promoting self-interest and greed. Humans are not naturally jealous beings. Those negative qualities (of envy, jealousy, greed, etc.) are indoctrinated into humans by means of the so-called “free” market.

    The shift to a Marxist State would not only fix social problems, but more importantly, it would correct the negative effects that capitalism introduces into human nature (such as feelings of greed/envy/gluttony). In other words, Marxism eliminates all of the negative externalities associated with a capitalist system. The state, in theory, would eliminate the need for money, religion, private property, etc.

    So if we switched to a communal state, we would not envy other individuals. We would not lust for material goods or alienate our neighbors through economic competition. As I stated before, those feelings are derived from capitalism. Without capitalism and its institutions, the feelings of jealousy and greed are abolished entirely.

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  2. I think you make a great point, even if we removed money, material possessions will still be measured against one another. With the example of the shoes and the house, there has to be some standard of exchange.

    Also I think communism seriously stifles creative works. What about an artist who paints for a living? Is everyone going to be able to justify giving them food, clothing, shelter to their needs for simply putting in works of art?

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  3. Pretty sure envy was around long before capitalism. Wars have been fought in envy. Even if Marx is right that it is not intrinsic, it is so inherent that it would take generations, indoctrination, or genocide to get rid of that idea or feeling. And none of those would seem to be viable options.

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  4. This an interesting illustration. It brings to mind a story by Kurt Vonuget (i think) that in essence illustrates what you are talking about, a world where everyone is made the same. In his story strong people have weights put on them, and beautiful people are supposed to hide their faces, etc.... But, i think what you are getting at is that: everyone, no matter how hard we try will never be "the same". People will always have difference and these will cause strife. While i think this point is interesting. What we MUST remember when talking about marx is if we are going to give examples of his "perfect society" 1 he never really lays this out 2 we are not able to think on communist terms. This is why I know for me Marxism is so hard for me to accept, because i think about it on capitalist terms. We must remember that our thinking will change in a communist society and we might not think so enviously.

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  5. What I'm struck by is T. Veblen's work, Theory of the Leisure class. A very, very brisk precis is this: individuals covet (you use envy, so that's what got me on this kick) what others cannot have because it is unobtainable and, thus, worth more. People are willing to pay for things that others cannot have. We put diamonds and complex motion dials in watches (Google Patek Phillipe to see a watch that, no matter the model, will run around $10,000+) just to run up the price so other cannot be like us.

    We fear being like others so much that we oppress them by buying expensive things that they cannot afford and often make. It's insanity.

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  6. "Harrison Bergeron" is pretty fantastic. What comes to mind for me, though, is this episode of The Twilight Zone called "The Number Twelve Looks Like You." (it's also similar to Farenheit 451) It takes places in a futuristic society where everyone at a certain age (19, I think) gets full body plastic surgery to look like one of a handful of models. So essentially every single person looks like only a few really attractive people. It completely removes envy from the society. They also outlaw books on account of the emotions that they cause! And they keep everyone drugged up with this thing called "A Glass of Happy." So they pretty much cover all of their bases to ensure that everyone is happy and no injustices occur. Of course, the episode is about a girl who doesn't want the surgery but they force it on her anyway. Hm. So maybe that's what it takes.

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